Echo JS 0.11.0


MaxArt 584 days ago. link 2 points
IMO, one of the main reasons companies are reluctant to use Vue is because there's just one man behind it, Evan You. And that's not actually correct as there's an ever-growing community around it, but the concept is that's opposed to React and Angular which are backed by giants.

Having something like Facebook and Google means support and commitment, and that's what companies often look for. Companies that don't understand that it's 2017, I mean.

But who knows, Vue can still be king. We have a remarkable champion of this phenomenon: jQuery. It wasn't just John Resig, it was a huge community that grew over time and made it a tool prime for business applications.

But then again, its main contenders (like Prototype, Ext, ...) were dwarves in comparison to Facebook. I still don't know where this will be going, but in my heart I hope there will always be space for ideas from just one brilliant mind.
xat 584 days ago. link 0 point
I don't think it plays that of a big role if a library was only created by a single person or not. Think of Node.JS, express, redis, Backbone.js, linux etc. They all became popular, despite the fact that they were created by a single person (at least at the beginning).
tracker1 583 days ago. link 3 points
Node.js was a pretty uphill battle for several years in some organizations.  My first corp deployment of node was literally because I was playing with it, and researching a few things, and was able to get an API written and deployed for something in a couple of hours, when another dev quoted a week for a .Net project.  LOL... A mongodb a synchronization project, and an API node project all written/deployed in under a day, and ran on a "backup" server used for job processes, reverse proxied from the main server (Application Request Routing, ARR under IIS).

I spent the next couple years about half node, half C#... and the past couple years mostly node.  I actually prefer it for most things.  But it's not like it was an easy sell early on at all for me.
xat 583 days ago. link 1 point
Nice story :)

Node was always nice to quickly show off something. I remember playing around with Node, the first time, in the end of 2009. Back then it already was clear that it will probably become huge.

I think that's often how new tech slowly sneaks itself into a company. Some developers playing around with it, talking about it at lunch, demonstrating that it is way more productiv than the previous solution. Then the technology gets used in some minor important project, after that maybe in some more important project, and so on.
Couple of years later, same thing happens with some newer technology.
MaxArt 583 days ago. link 2 points
I would be more than happy to admit those cases have been as successful as jQuery, but in reality I could separately discuss about each of them and why they don't quite fit the case. But since this is Echo JS let's limit about JS stuff.

Backbone has never got nearly to be a "major" library, nothing like jQuery, or Angular, or React. It had some traction back in 2012 or something, but has never been a global success, Ashkenas notwithstanding (his work with CoffeeScript and Underscore didn't go unnoticed - speaking of which, you could've mentioned Underscore indeed).

Node.js struggled at first. A lot. It was more of a curiosity than a real contender of classic LAMP stacks. Even now, a lot of "heavy" core business logic is done in Java or C#, while Node isn't even considered for the task. Because for those languages there are a lot of libraries and frameworks that got the contribution of behemoths like Sun, Oracle, IBM, Microsoft, Google... "Serious" companies that anyway granted serious commitments to the ecosystem.

It hasn't really happened for Node, not yet, even though such companies are investing quite a bit in it now. But it happened thanks to the major reorganization that happened in the community after the io.js schism, which eventually led to a solid board with a consistent governance, LTS versions, update plans, roadmaps and so on. Now this is something that "serious" companies could rely on. But it's still quite novel, and in fact Node hasn't really replaced LAMP stacks yet... only in those parts that are somewhat considered "replaceable".

And express... is in that position because it has no real contenders, really. Alternatives like Hapi, Koa... aren't really different and they're not backed by big companies either. And unless something completely new comes into the field, this isn't going to change, because... express is now an IBM thing, since Big Blue aquired StrongLoop a while ago.

Meanwhile, frameworks from big companies continue to blow away competition. Like Bootstrap dwarves Foundation, or like Jest is quickly demolishing the lead of the classic Mocha-Chai-Sinon stack for testing.

The morale is always the same: if you want your project to survive against similar from big companies, you need a *really solid* community around it first.
xat 583 days ago. link 0 point
The libraries/projects I mentioned were only those which quickly came to my mind. Probably we would need to inspect a larger dataset in order to get meaningful results on the topic.

IMHO the reason why alot of single person projects gain traction at all is because they tend to have nice APIs. APIs which developers enjoy using. This is because those single persons have a clear picture in their head about how their library should work.
That's also why TJ has so many popular projects (in my opinion). It's because he does a great job designing the APIs. Funny thing is that he is also an actual designer :)
goblinking 580 days ago. link 1 point
No.  Limited support, nonexistent team, it's trying to do far too much in one module to jive with the JavaScript philosophy, and it's got a janky old, awkward jQuery feel in the age of the SPA.  

It's not really a matter of whether or not the thing stands on its own merits - it's cool enough and might've even gained more traction if it had come sooner - it's just far too late to the game with far too little to show for it.